CFITrainer.Net Podcast

The IAAI and CFITrainer.Net present these podcasts with a focus on issues relating to fire investigation. With expertise from around the world, the International Association of Arson Investigators produces these podcasts to bring more information and electronic media to fire investigators looking for training, education and general information about fire investigation. Topics include recent technologies, issues in the news, training opportunities, changes in laws and standards and any other topic that might be of interest to a fire investigator or industry professional affected by fire. Information is presented using a combination of original stories and interviews with scientists, leaders in fire investigation from the fire service and the law enforcement community.

2020
August 2020 - This month we talk to a legend in the fire investigation field, Dr. Quintiere, sometimes known as Dr. Q. He has a rich experience in the fire service dating back to the 70’s, and he is working on fire in micro-gravity today.
July 2020 Podcast - July '20 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. In this new episode of the CFITrainer.Net podcast, Scott Bennett, talks about the fascinating case he and Mark Shockman worked that won them the IAAI Investigator of the Year Award. You won't want to miss our conversation. And, new IAAI President Rick Jones stops by to discuss what he is excited about for IAAI's growth this coming year — there are a lot of innovative and valuable initiatives on the way.
June 2020 Podcast - June '20 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. In this month's podcast we interview Doug Byron, President and Senior Forensic Chemist from the FAST lab about fats and oils and spontaneous combustion, and how they are involved in fire investigation. After our interview with Doug, we offer some thoughts on your job and the COVID-19 situation.
May 2020 Podcast - May '20 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. Join us this month for a new podcast where we talk briefly about online learning that is available and then we speak with Dr. Peter Mansi, Past President of the IAAI.
April 2020 Podcast - April '20 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month on the Podcast we interview President Barry M. Grimm from the IAAI and talk to Wayne Miller, Author of "Burn Boston Burn -The largest arson case in the history of the country.
March 2020 Podcast - March '20 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month on the Podcast we talk about some resources for COVID, updates from the IAAI and talk with a fire Marshall in New Hampshire about challenges in their region related to Sober Homes.
February 2020 Podcast - February '20 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast follows along with our technology theme. We look at social media’s effect on some fire investigations and then we talk with Mike Parker about his work with social media while at the LA County Sheriff’s Department.
January 2020 Podcast - January '20 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast gives you updates on Australia’s wild fires and an investigation and arrest tied to a large New Jersey fire. We also talk with Zach McCune from Rolfe’s Henry about a case study and course that he and Shane Otto will be leading at ITC this year. Zach talks about an arson fraud case and how spoofing and masking technologies were used to frame an innocent mother and perpetuate an arson fraud.
December 2019 Podcast - December '19 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. In under ten minutes this podcast offers a review of 2019 milestones and new content and features that you might have missed. We also give you a quick preview of what to expect in 2020.
November 2019 Podcast - November '19 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month we learn about two new technology solutions being studied for fire investigation and then we visit with Lester Rich from the National Fire Academy
October 2019 Podcast - October '19 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. In this podcast episode, we’re back for the second part of the CCAI live burn training event — the actual burn and post-fire.
September 2019 Podcast - September '19 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month we travel to San Luis Obispo where we were hosted by the California chapter of the IAAI (CCAI). We had a rare opportunity to experience what it’s like to set up this training and experience a wildland burn in California. There was a lot to learn!
August 2019 Podcast - August '19 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's CFITrainer.Net podcast is under 15 minutes and offers information about fires in electric vehicles and what you need to know.
May 2019 Podcast - May '19 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. In this month's CFITrainer.Net podcast, you'll hear from ATF Special Agent Chad Campanell, who will discuss how ATF can assist state and local fire investigators with training and investigations, ATF resources available to fire investigators, and ATF's support of CFITrainer.Net. Also, we summarize the final report of a multi-fatality fire at a senior living community in Pennsylvania, where ATF cooperated with state and local investigators to reach conclusions.
April 2019 Podcast - April '19 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. There are two new additions to CFITrainer.Net! A new podcast with Dan Madrzykowski from UL speaking about ventilation and Fire Flow, and a new module called “Fire Flow Analysis”.
March 2019 Podcast - March '19 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast includes updates from the IAAI related to the election, the upcoming ITC, and a new website specifically about evidence collection. After the updates, you will also hear some news stories related to fire investigation.
February 2019 Podcast - February '19 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month take 10 mins and hear some fire investigation and IAAI news.
January 2019 Podcast - January '19 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month we’re looking back on some of the biggest issues in fire investigation in 2018.
November 2018 Podcast - November '18 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month we talk with Jeff Pauley from the IAAI’s Health and Safety Committee. Jeff is an IAAI-CFI and the Chairman of the Health and Safety Committee. In this podcast, he talks about ways to reduce exposure to carcinogens related to fire investigation. By listening, you will learn about ways to reduce your risks, learn about new resources that are available to assist you, and research that is coming soon.
October 2018 Podcast - October '18 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month meet and learn about IAAI’s new Executive Director, Scott Stephens and plans for the future. After that interview, hear some wild stories from the national news related to fire investigation.
September 2018 News Roundup - September '18 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts.
Short stories related to fire investigation - June '18 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. Join us for a brief Podcast that includes five minutes of short stories related to fire investigation.
What you need to know about Arson Awareness week - April '18 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month we welcome Tonya Hoover, the Superintendent of the National Fire Academy. Superintendent Hoover came to the NFA with more than 20 years of experience in local and state government, most recently as the California State Fire Marshal.
Growing pot and earning Bitcoin can start fires? - March '18 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. In this month’s podcast, hear a story about how the Bitcoin business might be causing fires? What similarities are there between Pot growers and now Bitcoin miners?
Training related to wildland fire investigation - February '18 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast highlights new training related to wildland fire investigation featuring an interview with Paul Way, and this year’s International Training Conference. We also have a pretty wild story before we wrap up. Birds starting fires?
Smart homes and digital data gathering issues - December '17 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. In this podcast, we discuss two topics on the technology and forensics cutting edge. Michael Custer of Kilgore Engineering, Inc. and retired Special Agent Tully Kessler share some knowledge and give us a taste of the classes that they will be presenting at ITC 2018.
Discussion with Writer Monica Hesse - September '17 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. In this podcast, you will hear some great news related to the IAAI and CFITrainer.Net and then we have an interview with Monica Hesse, the writer of a new book called "American Fire: Love, Arson, and Life in a Vanishing Land."
Discussion with Criminalist- John DeHaan - June '17 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month on the CFITrainer.Net podcast, we talk to Criminalist, fire investigation expert and Author of "Kirk’s Fire Investigation", John DeHaan.
The Ghost Ship - May '17 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. For this podcast, we hear from a retired Captain of the Long Beach Fire Department, Pat Wills. Pat has been in the fire service for 37 years. He has been a leader and an investigator, now he is an educator speaking around the country about the importance of code enforcement.
Fast Podcast about ITC! - March '17 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month we talk to David Bridges about what to expect at ITC and the training you won’t want to miss.
CFITrainer Podcast- A profile with an IAAI-CFI® - February '17 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. Join us this month for our podcast as we interview IAAI member and CFI, Jeff Spaulding from Middletown, Ohio. Jeff talks about his work in both the public and private sector and then he shares an interesting story about how a pacemaker is helping in an investigation.
An interview with Dr. James Quintiere - December '16 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. In a discussion with Dr. James Quintiere, we learn about some of his work in fire sciences, a bit about his research, his opinions related to the World Trade Center investigation and what he thinks is important to fire investigation as a scholarly leader in our field.
Fire Investigation After the Flood Podcast - November '16 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month we talk to Dan Hebert, an IAAI, CFI about "How Floods affect Fire Investigation."
September 2016 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - September '16 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month we talk about the recent changes in the FAA's regulations for commercial and public sector use of UAS or "Drones".
August 2016 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - August '16 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month we talk to Jessica Gotthold about the Seaside Heights fire in NJ from 2013
July 2016 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - July '16 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month we talk to Fire Marshall, Ken Helms of the Enid, OK. Fire Department about his team winning the Fire Investigator of the Year award.
March 2016 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - March '16 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's fire investigation podcast from the IAAI's CFITrainer.Net focuses on the Youth Firesetting Information Repository and Evaluation System, which is called YFIRES for short.
February 2016 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - February '16 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's fire investigation podcast from the IAAI's CFITrainer.Net focuses on what you need to do to ensure the integrity of samples sent to the lab. A conversation with Laurel Mason of Analytical Forensic Associates.
September 2015 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - September '15 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. Our podcast related to the legalization of recreational marijuana and its effect on fire investigation was one of the most popular podcasts ever on CFITrainer.Net. This month’s podcast is a follow up with one of our listeners from California who is an investigator doing training on this very topic.
August 2015 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - August '15 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast is about NFIRS where we interview the Executive Director of The National Association of State Fire Marshals Fire Research and Education Foundation, Jim Narva.
July 2015 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - July '15 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. In this special edition of podcast we’re going to meet the newest IAAI Investigator of the Year, Andrea Buchanan.
May 2015 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - May '15 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's Arson Investigator podcast from IAAI & CFITrainer interviews Jason McPherson from MSD Engineering to talk about some of these new technology tools.
April 2015 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - April '15 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's Arson Investigator podcast from IAAI & CFITrainer interviews Dave Perry, a lawyer in Colorado discussing what fire chiefs, fire investigators, and the legal system are seeing in a state with legalized cannabis in regard to fire cause involving marijuana.
February 2015 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - Feb '15 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's Arson Investigator podcast from IAAI & CFITrainer interviews Mike Schlatman and Steve Carman who are both successful fire investigators and now business owners who have transitioned from the public to the private sector.
December 2014 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - December '14 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast interviews Steve Avato from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives explaining the process of elimination and how it is a critical part of the scientific method.
June 2014 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - June '14 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast interviews the 2014 Investigator of the Year.
April 2014 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - April '14 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast interviews with Don Robinson, Special Agent in Charge with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Currently stationed at the National Center for Explosives Training and Research, located at the Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama.
January 2014 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - January '14 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast takes a look inside the process of revising NFPA 921 and NFPA 1033.
October 2013 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - October '13 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast focuses on the fire research work of Underwriters’ Laboratories, better known as UL.
February 2013 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - February '13 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month we have an interview with George Codding who returned from a recent trip to Saipan and gives us a closer look at the international activities of the International Association of Arson Investigators
Mid Year 2012 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - Mid Year '12 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This podcast features a mid-year update on the IAAI’s new initiatives and ways for you to get more involved with the organization.
September 2012 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - September '12 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast features an in-depth look at the recent live-burn fire experiments exercise conducted on Governor’s Island, New York by the New York City Fire Department, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, Underwriters Laboratory, and the Trust for Governor’s Island.
August 2012 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - August '12 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This is a special edition of the CFITrainer.Net podcast previewing the ITC 2013. There’s a new name for the Annual Training Conference from the IAAI now called the International Training conference.
April 2012 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - April '12 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast features an interview with Chief Ernest Mitchell, Jr., the US Fire Administrator. Also we will discuss the upcoming ATC, Annual Training Conference, from the IAAI about to happen in Dover, Delaware.
March 2012 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - March '12 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast features an interview with ATF Special Agent Billy Malagassi out of the Tulsa, OK Field Office about investigating fires in clandestine drug labs. We also report on NIST’s findings in the Charleston Sofa Super Store fire and IAAI’s Evidence Collection Practicum.
December 2011 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - December '11 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast features one of the presenters from this year’s IAAI ATC and see how a single photo broke the Provo Tabernacle fire case.
October 2011 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - October '11 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast features an interview with Deborah Nietch, the new Executive Director of IAAI.
July 2011 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - July '11 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast features an interview with Tom Fee discussing details of investigating wildland fires.
June 2011 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - June '11 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month's podcast features a lot of exciting things that are happening at CFITrainer.Net
May 2011 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - May '11 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month highlights the IAAI ATC in Las Vegas and the third installment in the "It Could Happen to You" series.
ATC 2011 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - This podcast discusses the upcoming IAAI Annual Training Conference and National Arson Awareness Week.
April 2011 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - April '11 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This podcast announces the release of the program, The First Responder’s Role in Fire Investigation, which teaches first responders how to make critical observations and take important scene preservation actions at a fire scene.
March 2011 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - March '11 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features some of the instructors from the upcoming 2011 Annual Training Conference, to provide a preview of the courses they will be presenting.
February 2011 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - February '11 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features an update on fire grants and an interview with Steve Austin
January 2011 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - January '11 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features the release of the new edition of Fire Investigator: Principles and Practice to NFPA 921 and 1033, new flammability requirements from UL for pre-lit artificial Christmas trees and a growing fire problem in Dubai with factories turned into worker dormitories.
December 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - December '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast focuses on home candle fires, lightning punctures in gas piping, and respiratory diseases in the fire services.
November 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - November '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features research findings for structural stability in engineered lumber by UL, the ban on antifreeze in residential sprinkler systems, and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s investigation of Jeep Grand Cherokee fuel tanks.
October 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - October '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features high-profile fire cases, why people leave stovetop cooking unattended and how new sensors under development may improve fire research.
September 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - September '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features how to use the ATF’s Bomb Arson Tracking System, IAAI Foundation grants, electrical fires and indoor marijuana cultivation.
August 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - August '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast focuses on social media as a fire investigation tool, a potential problem with modular home glued ceilings and research from Underwriters Laboratories on the effects of ventilation on structure fires.
July 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - July '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast is a roundtable on some of the latest research and technical activities that impact fire investigation, featuring Daniel Madrzykowski (moderator), Steven Kerber, and Dr. Fred Mowrer.
June 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - June '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast discusses career advancement, budget cuts and their impact on fire investigation, and the 2010-2016 ATF Strategic Plan.
ATC 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - Follow-up and Interviews from Orlando. Learn about the conference, hear what attendees had to say.
May 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - May '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. The second in our safety series called "It Could Happen To You." Our Long-Term Exposure roundtable is moderated by Robert Schaal.
April 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - April '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. The first of our two-part safety series called "It Could Happen To You." Our roundtable is moderated by Robert Schaal.
March 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - March '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features a conversation about legislative affairs affecting the fire service with Bill Webb, Executive Director of the Congressional Fire Services Research Institute.
February 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - February '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features our interview with a commercial kitchen’s fire expert about what you need to know when you work a commercial kitchen fire.
January 2010 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - January '10 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features a look at preliminary research on corrosion caused by Chinese drywall, a new database focused on fires in historic buildings, a warning on blown-in insulation, and the launch of the new firearson.com web site.
December 2009 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - December '09 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features cooking fires, highlights of the International Code Council’s Annual Meeting on code requirements, including requiring residential sprinkler systems, and an easy way to keep up with recalls from the US Consumer Product Safety Commission.
November 2009 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - November '09 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features chimney fires, including recent news on surgical flash fires, a proposed national arsonist registry, lightning research and an innovation in personal protective equipment.
October 2009 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - October '09 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast is devoted to Fire Prevention Week.
September 2009 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - September '09 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features the relationship between climate conditions and fire risk, new research on formulating fireproof walls and the latest in IAAI news.
August 2009 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - August '09 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month takes a look at the dangerous combination of summer heat and oily rags, the rise in vacant home fires, and preview research underway on Australia’s devastating "Black Saturday" brush fires.
July 2009 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - July '09 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month features a look at outdoor grill fires, a fatal fire at a homeless camp in Southern NJ, new NIST research on human behavior during building fires, and IAAI news.
June 2009 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - June '09 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features live reports from the 2009 IAAI Annual Training Conference held in May.
May 2009 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - May '09 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This podcast is dedicated to National Arson Awareness Week.
April 2009 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - April '09 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features the NFPA 921 chapter on marine fire investigations and the myth and reality of static electricity as a source of ignition.
March 2009 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - March '09 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month focuses on the rise of the hybrid vehicle and what its unique engineering means for the investigation of vehicle fires, the rash of devastating arson fires in Coatesville, Pennsylvania from December 2008 to February 2009, and news from IAAI.
January 2009 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - January '09 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast focuses on the deepening financial crisis in the US and arson for profit fires, how going green may pose a fire hazard and see how rope lighting may be a source of ignition, and IAAI’s Expert Witness Courtroom Testimony course.
December 2008 CFITrainer.Net Podcast - December '08 IAAI & CFITrainer Fire Investigator Podcasts. This month’s podcast features Christmas tree fires, changes to critical fire investigation publications, the weak economy’s impact on home fires, wind’s effect on structure fires, and ATC 2009.

Rod Ammon: Welcome to the CFITrainer.Net Podcast. We have a lot of news on the CFITrainer.Net and IAAI training fronts today. Exciting new ways to stay current in your knowledge and skills despite COVID and budget challenges are here. First, Bobby Schaal, a project manager of CFITrainer.Net is with us to talk about the new fire investigation for fire officer's certificate. It's now available on the network. Bobby is a retired ATF special agent certified fire investigator and a former assistant special agent in charge of the New Orleans Field Division. He's now a consultant and forensic fire investigator with Gulf Coast Fire Investigation Research and Education. Bobby, it's always good to have you here.

Bobby Schaal: Hey, good talking to you Rod.

Rod Ammon: Glad you could be with us today. Sort of wanted to find out a little bit about the background of this, I started joking around calling it a FIFO Certificate, but maybe it's good people hear something like that. But the F-I-F-O certificate, can you tell us about a fire officer's investigation responsibilities and what this certificate's about?

Bobby Schaal: Yeah, the fire officers under NFPA 1021 which is the standard for Fire Officer Professional Qualifications, do have varying degrees of investigative responsibility. We would call it the first line of defense, they get the first eyes on the fire. So we want them to have some preliminary concept of the investigation process and understand they're part of the investigative team. Under fire investigator one, it's a general requirement and it's outlined in Section 4. In Fire Officer two, it gets a little more specific, talking about identifying the area of origin and that is outlined in Section 5 of the standard.

Rod Ammon: Okay, so what is this certificate? Tell me about that.

Bobby Schaal: The FIFO Certificate, and FIFO is just an acronym we use to denote Fire Investigation for Fire Officers. We decided that there was a constant request for a track information in various disciplines. So how do we do this? How do I become a fire investigator? How do I do this? So in looking at it, we said fire officers need some guidance in expanding their origin and cause capabilities. So what can we do? We looked at our existing modules and we picked out some of those. And then in a previous grant, we also focused on developing modules specifically for fire officers.

We packaged them together to kind of create a roadmap where somebody interested in developing their fire investigation skills can go in there and it outlines the modules they have to take. And then we also have two sub-disciplines, the youth-set fire add-on and the motor vehicle fire add-on, that supplement and add to the core fire investigation for fire officers, multi-program certificate.

Rod Ammon: All right. And yeah, so an important thing to do, and I think a nice thing to do as far as people that document their career as they're moving in. So it would be valuable to not only people who are necessarily fire officers, but perhaps people who are interested in becoming fire officers?

Bobby Schaal: Yeah, I think so. I think it's a good way to demonstrate that you do in fact meet this particular job performance requirement outlined in the standard at both the fire officer one and the fire officer two levels. So as a developmental track if your goal is to become a fire officer, I think building your curriculum vitae and showing that you have experience in all of the job performance requirements of that position, I think aids you as you transition into that position.

Rod Ammon: Yeah. Okay, I thought that might make sense. And I'm also wondering maybe to put this in context, there are a lot of things that fire officers have to do. A lot of standards and a lot of guidelines that they have to pay attention to all the time. Why do you think it's important that fire officers earn this certificate?

Bobby Schaal: Again I think it's important because they oftentimes are our first eyes on the scene and they may be the only eyes on the scene. So having some background on fire investigation, the origin and cause determination will allow them to better assess situation and better utilize resources. If they can easily identify, let's say food on the stove, they don't need to call somebody from their fire investigation unit to come out. They can save that for a more complex scenario that might be a better use of those resources. But we also want them to understand that they are part of the team and what they look at, even if they do have a formal fire investigation unit, it gets called out, builds on that. And you don't want contradictory information. You want complementary information and you want to build on information and have consistent information throughout the investigation.

So actions they take on the scene, like you mentioned, they have a broader scope than the fire investigator that's just there to do origin cause. They have suppression, overhaul, command and control type of requirements, but they can execute those with the fire investigation in mind when exigent circumstances diminish and it's safe to do so. So they can maybe limit overhaul, they can secure the scene, they can restrict access to certain areas, that all help build better opportunity for success when we do the origin and cause investigation.

Rod Ammon: Yeah, that's well said. I don't know that I could have put it all together like that. I think that really brings it home. And then the one great motivating factor is what if you don't do it right? What are the ramifications if you're not conducting investigations in accordance with standards?

Bobby Schaal: Well, if you don't do an investigation according to the standards, if you move to criminal litigation or civil litigation, you certainly put your case at peril. You won't be able to successfully adjudicate it in either venue, but also if you don't formalize the process and you don't take the process serious, you can make mistakes that hamper anybody's ability to come in and do a competent investigation. Let's say a firefighter is there and then they think it's a Christmas tree fire. So they take the Christmas tree and the lights so they can use it in a demonstration back at the firehouse. Well, now they've compromised that scene where civil practitioners that may come in afterwards don't have the evidence that they need to look at.

So even if you're not going to take the case forward in the civil arena, they need to understand that other people will have an interest in that scene and still preserve that scene so others may look at it in the same light that they got to see it in, and not compromise evidence and not compromise the scene.

Rod Ammon: I appreciate you coming on today.

Bobby Schaal: Well, I appreciate the opportunity. And if I could give another plug to fire officers is we did recently develop some matrix documents that outline what modules we have available that support job performance requirements in a particular standard. NFPA 1021 is one of those standards that we created this matrix for. So more overarching guiding information is also available in that resource document that's available on CFITrainer.Net as well.

Rod Ammon: Since you opened up that can of worms, there's so many new things that are going on on CFITrainer.Net. I guess maybe if we focus on just one of those that you just went through and we're checking, and that was the transcript and what you're going to be able to do with a transcript. You want to talk briefly about that?

Bobby Schaal: Sure. Right now, any course you take on CFITrainer.Net and any IAAI training offering, and then a number of IAAI affiliate chapter training option, you can test through the CFITrainer.Net platform, and that creates a transcript or training log of all the courses you've taken. Right now we kind of do it alphabetically, but we are enhancing that where you'll be able to sort by date and other features.

So it's a good one stop shop to kind of keep all of your training records and you can see where you're current and make sure that you maintain documentation that may be needed for certification as you move down the road.

Rod Ammon: You always have a crystal clear answer. I appreciate that about you, Bobby.

Bobby Schaal: Yeah, I appreciate it Rod.

Rod Ammon: All right man. Thanks very much and I hope you have a good weekend and holiday.

Bobby Schaal: All right. You too, Rod. Thank you.

Rod Ammon: We've got a link to the FIFO or F-I-F-O certificate on this webpage. It's the F-I-F-O certificate.com and that'll take you directly to some information that's relevant on CFI Trainer. Again, that's at the F-I-F-O certificate.com webpage, and it's supporting this podcast. So please check that out. If you've taken any of the modules required for that certificate, you will automatically receive credit for that and don't have to take them again. So you may already well be on your way to earning the certificate itself. As we move into the winter and think about skiing, it brings to mind a news release from the ATF that came across our social media feed recently detailing a reward of $15,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons who have been setting fires in Stowe Vermont, there've been over a dozen fires stretching back to 2016.

Four of those fires have occurred since June 2020. Most recently at the Stowe Cablevision office. Luckily, no one's been injured or killed so far, but more than $4 million in property damage has been caused by these fires. And they're a great concern in the Stowe community. To learn more about this, keep an eye on the ATF site. There are links to many of those pages on this podcast page.

Now let's talk about in-person classes. The IAAI has always had a robust in-person class program. Many courses consistently sell out. When COVID hit the IAAI pivoted to online delivery of instructor-led classes through the Zoom platform. To date, the IAAI has successfully delivered seven sessions of these classes. Attendance has been strong and recorded versions of some of these classes are available online on the firearson.com training classes page. This has proven to be a viable model for the IAAI to continue to make this critical training available to a wide audience, and we expect that to outlast the pandemic as the IAAI integrates this new delivery method into its slate of training opportunities. It's a great way for professionals with limited time, constrained budgets and travel issues to receive instructor-led classes. Moving forward, the IAAI's online instructor-led classes will be delivered over the CFITrainer.Net platform as webinars in some cases, this has a number of advantages for you.

You'll be able to see those webinars listed on CFITrainer.Net, next to our training modules, you can register for the webinar through CFITrainer.Net. The webinar will be listed on your transcript once you've completed it, you'll get a list of resources to continue your learning and the webinars topic. You'll have one click access to the certificate of completion test, and no pin is required. You'll also be able to immediately download your certificate once you pass the post webinar test. As long as you registered for the webinar, you'll also be able to go back any time and watch the recording.

The only thing you have to do is be sure you are registered with CFITrainer.Net, and then keep your eye out for these webinars as they are listed and register for the ones that interest you. Just like the IAAI in-person classes, these webinars typically have a registration fee, this doesn't affect the regular CFITrainer.Net online modules. Those remain free of charge. We'll be rolling out the webinars feature in January to February of 2021. So look for an email blast announcing the first instructor-led webinars being delivered this way.

Don't worry, as soon as COVID allows, the IAAI will restart its in-person classes, but we will also continue to deliver webinars on CFITrainer.Net, as well as produce and release the training modules we always have. It's a beautiful thing when we can give you more ways to get training. One last bit of news, last month, the IAAI International and the Connecticut Chapter of the IAAI worked together to take the chapter's 35th annual arson investigators seminar virtual. Over 320 professionals attended the day-long event held entirely over Zoom with training sessions delivered remotely by respected instructors joining from all over the United States and a socially distant annual meeting broadcast live from a hotel ballroom. IAAI president Rick Jones and members of the IAAI board of directors participated as instructors and panelists. The virtual seminar delivered at no cost to attendees provided eight tested hours for continuing education credits to maintain professional certifications.

Feedback from participants was universally positive about the content and this new mode of attendance with many rave reviews. Congratulations to Paul Makuc, president of the Connecticut Chapter and their board for a job very well done. If you've got an innovative way, your IAAI chapter is meeting the needs of its membership, use the feedback form on this podcast page to let us know about it. We may feature it on an upcoming podcast.

One last item today is a bit of a challenge. The IAAI is application for the most recent cycle of the assistance to firefighters grant program administered by FEMA and the US department of Homeland Security was not selected for funding. The IAAI anticipates applying again in the next cycle which will be in 2021. The IAAI and the team at CFITrainer.Net are committed to continuing to build CFITrainer.Net, and indeed there are a number of modules that will be released over the next six months. If you enjoy this podcast and other training brought to you on CFITrainer.Net, please consider making a donation to support the network and its programming so we can continue to bring you podcasts like this on new and emerging topics in fire investigation and develop new things for the network itself. A donation link is available on this podcast Page at CFITrainer.Net.

This podcast and CFITrainer.Net are made possible by funding from a fire prevention and safety grant from the assistance to Firefighters Grant Program administered by FEMA and the US Department of Homeland Security. Support is also coming from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and voluntary online donations from CFITrainer.Net users and podcast listeners. We appreciate your support and remember to share these podcasts with one of your peers, friends, and when you get a chance, please click on the donate link up at the CFITrainer.Net page so that you can make a donation no matter how small it is toward helping us produce new content that's good for the entire fire investigation community. Thanks for joining us on the podcast today. Stay safe and we'll see you next time. For the international association of arson investigators and CFITrainer.Net. I'm Rod Ammon.